This is not true, Muhammad (pbuh) came for peace and he only fought those who harmed his religion. You must know that Muslims are not Al-Qaida, we do not like what they do and Islam did not order us to do what they are doing, they do not represent Islam. Muhammad (pbuh) ordered us to treat people well and fight only for thetruth, come on people read his history and you will know that he forgave his enemies and gave them peace. This is unfair, Muhammad (pbuh) is the seal of prophets and he is the final word of God and his message is the truth that people believed in and do not believed that Islam spread by sword it is a big LIE. Muhammad (pbuh) the light of my eyes, about you they spread many lies, if only they came to realize bloodshed you despise.

It's questionable why the Pontif, an academician by training, would choose to quote yhe 14th century Byzantine emperor Manuel II Paleologos, a man of power and a dictator of absolute power?

While i do appreciate that most moslems aabhore violence the fact still remains that Jihad stands for holy war and the history that Mohamed used the sword to control the middle East. It is also a fact that he wanted moslems to control all the world.While the conquered Christians were not forced to join Islam they knew that they were second class citizens and could not convert moslems to Christianity. As for the infidels they had only two choices: convert or die.

Thanks for the pope, what he said is correct and it is about time to stop compromizing and to urge moslems to read their own books and face facts.

This quot I found from web does not sound so "Religion of Peace" to me:

"Slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful" (Surah 9:5). This amounts to giving pagans a convert-or-die choice.

If I am mistaking, please correct me.

the veneration of Muhammad amount in some Muslims to worship. How can Muhammad be placed on such a pinnacle of veneration, since he was human?To venerate Muhammad as other than a human scribe is idolatry.

By contrast, Allah can not be described, and it is idolatry to try to make images of Allah. There is no god but Allah: Muhammad is only a man, with human faults and failures

i hope this doesnt make them to start a riot as is their usual trademark. Understanding is really difficult to come by.

I have never considered the Pope a hero until now. The cult of Muhammad needs to be exposed for what it is.

Having read some of the Qu'ran, and books by former muslims who have found Christ, I can only consider Islam a false religion, man-made at best, demonically inspired at worst. The character of the massages or instructions in the Qu'ran sound notheing like the true God speaking through Christ and His Church. In my own personal impression, through prayer and discernment, allah sounds like Lucifer, and Islam ("submission"), in submitting to his will, becomes a devotion to widespread slaughter and oppression. The few charitable quotes from the text are always superceded by the historically-later, more violent statements, according to the Islamic scolars.

This is all none sense, instead of creating personal impressions on Islam, read on Islam, cause we can say the same thing, Bush says hes Christian and he's invading the world and 99% of the planet is against him and talks bad against him, but does that mean christianity is bad? Its the same for Islam, not because some extremites that CLAIM they are muslims do crazy stuff it means thats wut islam preachs! Problem is that people are puppeted by media and they remain ignorent. Knowledge is power, and if non muslims read on the history is Muhammad (pbuh), his army was seen as saviors, read history, the SPREAD BY THE SWORD IS ONLY FICTION, many NONE muslim historians WROTE BOOKS ON THAT FICTION OF THE SWORD!!!!If u wanna know history dont ask ur friend which is a cook, ask a HISTORIAN !!! the Ara were he lived was an era of SLAVERY, WOMEN OPPRESSED, CHILDREN BURIED ALIVE, MERDER BY THE RULLERS, AN MANY MORE, islam's message and army braught peace to the people of those nations, it freed there slaves, shelterd the poor and proteted the ladies, and so much more, Islam Christianity and Judaism, all promote peace but its the extremists and IGNORANCE that distroy those images and creat all the problems in the world, comments like those on this site.... So instead of sayn noun sens, read on Islam and its message cause knoledge is power and worst thing that could happen, ud bring better points than "through prayer and discernment, allah sounds like Lucifer"... its a dare that i know not many none muslims are ready to take cause most of u guys just dont want to understand, and for those who want to understand my email is wide open... Ashalsa@hotmail.com... :)

To Mahmoud Khayyal, Yes you are mistaken, the quot (9:5) refers only to enemies who attack at war and not to all non-muslims. By the way, Islam even forbids cutting trees at war! Here is another qout that may make more sence to you:

[Allah forbids you not with regard to those who fight you not for your faith, nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them. For Allah loves those who are just. Allah only forbids you with regard to those who fight you for your faith, and drive you out of your homes and support others in driving you out, from turning to them for protection (or taking them as wali). Those who seek their protection they are indeed wrong- doers.] (Al-Mumtahinah 60: 8-9).
For more information visit this website: http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/friends.htm

To Truth, if reading only some of the Qu'ran (and probably misunderstanding it!), and books by former muslims made you consider Islam a false faith, , man-made at best, demonically inspired at worst, then I suggest you read all of the Qu'ran (and if possible in the original Arabic text) and read books from former Christians from western countries who converted to Islam.

Keep in mind that there are many things Terrorists such as Bin Laden and Al-Qaida, do that Islam itself forbids. And keep in mind that the only 100 % True book or source in Islam is The Qu'ran, and not everything found in some other books or said by some clerics is true. There are over 1.4 Billion Muslims following different sects of the religion, think of how many terrorists you can find from them, you will see that they don't even make 1 % of Muslims!

Quran said (you have your religion & we have our own religion) & it couldnt be clearer & simpler than this.

I urges muslims to understand fully what the pope said without rushing into demonstations & asking him to apologize because he won't.
Also I urges chrsitians to read more about islam rather than judging it by what the pope says & what the media say.

To Lee, Yes you are mistaken, the quot (9:5) refers only to enemies who attack at war and not to all non-muslims. By the way, Islam even forbids cutting trees at war! Here is another qout that may make more sence to you:

[Allah forbids you not with regard to those who fight you not for your faith, nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them. For Allah loves those who are just. Allah only forbids you with regard to those who fight you for your faith, and drive you out of your homes and support others in driving you out, from turning to them for protection (or taking them as wali). Those who seek their protection they are indeed wrong- doers.] (Al-Mumtahinah 60: 8-9).
For more information visit this website: http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/friends.htm

To Mark, if reading only some of the Qu'ran (and probably misunderstanding it!), and books by former muslims made you consider Islam a false faith, , man-made at best, demonically inspired at worst, then I suggest you read all of the Qu'ran (and if possible in the original Arabic text) and read books from former Christians from western countries who converted to Islam.

Keep in mind that there are many things Terrorists such as Bin Laden and Al-Qaida, do that Islam itself forbids. And keep in mind that the only 100 % True book or source in Islam is The Qu'ran, and not everything found in some other books or said by some clerics is true. There are over 1.4 Billion Muslims following different sects of the religion, think of how many terrorists you can find from them, you will see that they don't even make 1 % of Muslims!

Pope Benedict XVI
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Benedict XVI
Birth name Joseph Alois Ratzinger
Papacy began April 19, 2005
Papacy ended Incumbent
Predecessor John Paul II
Successor Incumbent
Born April 16, 1927
Marktl am Inn, Bavaria, Germany (HMMMMM)
Other Popes named Benedict

Benedict XVI (Latin: Benedictus PP. XVI, born Joseph Alois Ratzinger on April 16, 1927 in Marktl am Inn, Bavaria, Germany) is the 265th and current Pope of the Roman Catholic Church, and Sovereign of Vatican City State.[1] He was elected on April 19, 2005 in a papal conclave, celebrated his Papal Inauguration Mass on April 24, 2005, and took possession of his cathedral, the Basilica of St. John Lateran, on May 7, 2005. Pope Benedict XVI has both German and Vatican citizenship. He succeeded John Paul II, who died at the beginning of April 2005.

One of the best-known theologians since the 1960s and a prolific author, Benedict XVI is viewed as a staunch defender of traditional Catholic doctrine and values and of their importance in the survival of Western civilization. He is considered to be conservative and a close ally and friend of his predecessor, Pope John Paul II. However, earlier in his career, he was considered a liberal. He served as a professor at various German universities, and was a theological consultant at the Second Vatican Council before becoming Archbishop of Munich and Freising and Cardinal. At the time of his election as Pope, Benedict had been Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (curial heads lose their positions upon the death of a pope) and was Dean of the College of Cardinals.

During his papacy, Benedict XVI has emphasized what he sees as a need for Europe to return to fundamental Christian values in response to increasing de-Christianisation and secularisation in many developed countries. For this reason, he has identified relativism's denial of objective truth as the central problem of modern time. He has taught about the importance for the Catholic Church and for humanity of contemplating God's love and has reaffirmed the "importance of prayer in the face of the activism and the growing secularism of many Christians engaged in charitable work."

Where does he get of coming saying that Islam is "evil" and that its "inhuman"? he should take a very hard look at what he's saying before he judges other religions because christianity isn't so perfect? infact, the persecuted the Jews and Muslims, so exactly which religion's the inhuman one? The pope (no offense to any christians who read this) is a pretensious, self righteous old geezer, emphasis on old. This is the twenty-first century and we're trying to promote peace yet here he is causing more trouble than need be!

the Pope said the Prophet Mohamed or does he mean Bush "uses the sword to control the middle East" because the terrorist don't have swords they don't even have rocks they blow them selves up
isn't this what Bush is trying to do spread democracy " remove the axis of evil"
"uses the sword to control the middle East"

Yeah Right! Muslims are forbidden to cut trees during war but it's okay to blow them up!
And why should one read the Quran in Arabic? God would want all languages to understand his word.
Muslims are always seeking excuses and at the end become violent when they don't get their way.
I've read the Quran and I could tell you that there is very little LOVE in that book. Why should people spend years learning arabic to understand the Quran? Illogical !
You don't see Christians stating to blow up moslems when Islam continously criticizes Christianity and calling them Infidels.
How insulting! WAKE UP you people!

One more thing! Before pro islamists respond with America blowing up Iraq etc, I agree that this is wrong. What America is doing is not right. Being able to\having the freedom to reason and express one's view is very important.
Many Christians and other religions sympathize with moslems.
But many muslims support other muslims only because of their religion, even though they may be guilty of some incident, they turn a blind eye.

Dear Confused, u said "Muslims are forbidden to cut trees during war but it's okay to blow them up!"

whens the last time u saw a muslim blow up a tree? How old are you? And on what planet do you live? Cause we shure dont watch the same TV... Yes it is forbiden to cut trees during war, and its written in the Quran. So you can see that the Quran also teach us to preserve nature, now if people dont follow it, it doesnt mean Islam teach wutever those people are doing cause we got free will after all just like jinns.

Then u said : "And why should one read the Quran in Arabic? God would want all languages to understand his word."

Lets say ur a messenger, and u receive a message from god, do u receive it in ALL THE LANGUAGES IN THE WORLD AT THE SAME TIME !!!!?!?!??! COMON USE UR LOGIC! It has been reveald to Muhammad (pbuh) in his language at his time. He didnt speak ENGLISH, so his followers wrote the revelations in the arabic of that time. The beauty and miracle of Islam is that till today this message has been preserved (on paper, and by memory) in the original language. Unlike the bible or any other scriptures translated in 100s of languages, and we all know wut happens when we translate something. Im not saying the bible is bad and not the word of god, it is good and it is the word of god, but there has been many addons and removals as said by CHRISTIAN SCHOLARS and not muslims... so to answer ur question, im not forcing u to learn arabic but if u want to read the original message, learn the CLASSIC arabic... but till then u can always read translations which are pritty close to the original text since they are translated DIRECTLY from it ( unlike a translation of a tranlation of a translation of a translation... in the case of the other scriptures!)

Then u said :"Muslims are always seeking excuses and at the end become violent when they don't get their way."

Bush, who claim he is a DEVOTED CHRISTIAN, uses the excuse of 9/11 to attack Iraq... He Is christian, he uses an unrealated event to attack and invade a whole country and remain there (I AM IRAQY, AND U GUYS IN NORTH AMERICA HAVE NO FREAKN CLUE WUT THE MILITARY IS DOING TO US IN IRAQ !!! GO READ THIS TESTEMONY OF A AMERICA SOLDIER AND ULL UNDERSTAND http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=250 ) But u dont see me saying u christians use excuses to be violent, cause u cannot generalise the whole nation for a lesser than 1% of its "followers". For ur information arabes only constitute 20% of muslims so learn more on islam please...

then u said: I've read the Quran and I could tell you that there is very little LOVE in that book."

Its a lie, u havnt read the Quran, cause if u have read it ud realise that god is most merciful and ur sins can be as big as much as the foams of the ocean and hell still forgive u cause he the most forgiving, as long as u really mean not to repeat ur sin, he hes all knowing. Just to show u hoe much love god has, as described in the Quran, something u would of known if u would of read it, God has 99 levels of merci each one greater than the other, and he has only given us 1 of them the lowest, and that is the love a mother has for her child, so imagine the 99th level of love of god towards us... Quran is fll of love but people do their own interpretations and generalisations...

And finally for ur last comment, read ur own history then come back and tell me whos the oppressors...

Islam is love, its the most beautifull religion, the one that explains all previous religions, once u understand Islam, u understand all religions, cause it is the seal of all previous messages came from the same god. Only if u guys knew... knowledge is power, please read on Islam... As a muslim, its not my duty to convert u guys, my simple duty is to pass on the message and its god that will soften ur hearts and allow u to accept it, not me.... godbless ... u can always email me at Ashalsa@hotmail.com :)

aaa, you said "Im not saying the bible is bad and not the word of god, it is good and it is the word of god", so you agree that Bible is word of God, but the Bible also say it is the ONLY true religion and there is NO other word from God.

Now Islam teaches Bible is true and Bible implies there is no other word (including Qu'ran). The scroll found in Dead Sea back in 70's which dated back to early age of Christianity confirms that it is pretty much like the Bible we read nowadys, so all the "Christian modified the Bible" is a freakin lie.

So Qu'ran says believe Bible and Bible says believe no others, so wot is going to be ? believe Bible or believe Qu'ran ? make you choice, enternity is a very long time to be wrong.

I am very sorry for Iraqi that America invaded your country, but Amerian (nor Bush) represent all Christian (me no American).

I am not interested in what people say about Islam but I judge from what i see and experience.

My most concern is why must Islam allow Al-Qaida and other terrorists groups to exist?
They said Islam do not like what they do and probably did not order them to do what they are doing, or I may say that they do not represent Islam but then they fight under the name of Islam, they fight for Islam, they ricite some verses in Quran and pray to Allah just like normal moslems.

Since Muhammad (pbuh) ordered his followers to treat people well and fight only for the truth, why is it that Islamic countries cannot join hands and fight against these terrorists that damages the name of their religion?

OK i guess im debating with someone who doesnt know nothing about Islam... u should read the quran then debate on Islam, not before... its like saying this new orange juice doesnt taste good but u never tasted it !!! Thats the problem with so many people, u guys make ur own interpretations on Islam instead of study'n it and understanding its message!

Listn my dear friend, yes i did say the bible is ORIGINALY 100% the word of god, but today because of the translations CHRISTIAN SCOLARS SAY its been modified, not me!!! And regarding the Dead Sea Scrolls i would suggest u to do ur own reseach as I HAVE DONE and read a book called "Who Wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls?" by Norman Golb that might answer to lots of ur questions. U know u have to look deeper into things its been 2000 years now, lots of stuff people ignore happend in that period ...

The reason why i said i beleive in the Original texts of the bible cause they have been reveald to Isa ( which is the real name of Jesus by the way) and Isa (PB) was a messenger of the one god. As muslims we beleive in the oness of god and his message sent to every prophet till the last prophet muhammad (PBUH).

Now ur right in the bible it says it is the only true religion it doesnt say CHRISTIANITY IS THE ONLY TRUE RELGION !!! The bible says to worship god, be good, dont steal and so on, it says u have to submit to god. Thats exactly Islam, cause if u look for the definition of Islam in the dictionary ull find out its a verb (unlike all other religions which are names of people or terretories) Islam means submission to the will of god, so if u submit to god then ur Islam, we are submitters, its as simple as that, islam is the belief in the oness of god which is as a matter of fact THE MOST important commandmend of Isa (Deuteronomy 4:35 & Mark 12:29) HE SAID IT. U have to understand Islam is not a new religion, its the same religion of abraham, isa, moise, noah,.... and one example to prove it, if u meet someone that dont eat pork, fasts one month a year, eats only hallal meat, dont drink alcohol, prayes forhead on the floor and is surcumsised, then wouldnt u say hes a muslim? Well guess wut, i can give u all the passages in the bible that says jesus and all the prophets, didnt eat pork, fasted one month a year, eat only hallal meat, dont drink alcohol, prayes forhead on the floor and are surcumsised.... Islam is the same religions guys, please open ur hearts and think logicly, u have to seek the TRUTH!!! Read on Islam, reading on it wont hurt http://www.islamcode.com/ My email is Ashalsa@hotmail.com please email me for any comments :)

In all my witness of the purported utterances and/or doings of the major proponents/originators of the succession of Monotheistic Middle-Eastern Religions....I find a continuum of wise designs for conducting the affairs of Humanity -and the treatment of individuals by their fellow-Humans- all of which closely resemble the other....and which can can be pointed to as proven capable of producing a regime within which Humans can live happy, exploratory, beneficial, gratifying, constructive and fulfilling physical, intellectual, and mostly mutually supportive lives.
What is striking about the broad historical record however, is the rise -immediately upon the assumed receipt of each successive major message from the God in which they all profess to believe- of exclusivism, schism, triumphalism, proprietorialism and open enmity as humanity has polarised into contending groups -frequently plunging into open warfare, sneering persecution and the abandonment of all restraint in their treatment of one another....justified either by acceptance, or by rejection by each grouping, of the "new" or of the "old" message(s) and justified in the name of "Religion".
Whether merely insightful, or whether Divinely Inspired, the Message, each time, gets lost in the Mess.....
From Acceptance of the existence of a single overarching God (Avram)...The use of a framework of (God-given) Laws by which an individual may -in the interest of living with others harmoniously- restrain and regulate behaviour the better to harmonise with others (Moishe)....Acceptance that obedience to the "letter of the law" is insufficient on it's own to achive that harmony (Jehuda bar Joseph)....That all humans are related and should treat each other as though they were indeed, siblings (Muhammad bin Abdullah ) ....and that, that being accepted, Humankind may unite to organise its' affairs (having regard to all the foregoing) in consultation; to it's great profit and promotion of it's further evolution (Bahau'llah) -All of these great pronouncements -whatever their supposed origin- are almost immediately snuffed-out by their proponents submerging the simple and achievable injunction just to hand, in a litter of mystification; appropriation; editorial additions - and the promotion of narrow interests, or a cult of personality which renders implementation impossible; and by their opponents branding them as requiring to be resisted at all costs - thus retarding, rather than advancing the Human condition.
By introducing complication, implementation of the kernel of wisdom embodied in the newly transmitted good idea is rendered impossibly difficult, even amongst its' supposed proponents.
It never ceases, then, to amaze this Human, that (1)The Almighty God in which all these groups profess to believe, cannot advance the species which he is said by all to greatly favour, because of their own obdurate inability to peacefully implement his Divinely sensible suggestions, & (2) That so many Humans -in their eagerness to be the Assistants of God in fulfilling his purposes for Humanity (according to their pronouncements on the matter)- contrary to their loudly-stated belief in an Almighty Deity- exhibit a belief that their God cannot possibly regulate the affairs of one small Planet without THEIR clamouring interference. From this arises nothing but Human Misery.

dear Allan Wilson, whats ur position, are u an atheist? What u have to understand is the purpose of this life, yes u are right theirs so much Chaos in this world, but not because theirs Chaos that it means god lost controle and is unpowerfull towards all that! Thats an easier way out exit door statement!!!

Understand why we are here!!! It all started when a Jinn refused to bow down to Adam, a Jinn being free of will, so God sent all humans and Jinns (all with free will) on Earth as a test to see if we would do good or do bad. God sent us for an appointed term then he said he'll bring us back. So i mean, we all know we have free will, and most of us know that if we do bad well end up in hell fire and if we do good well end up in paradise, its a test. We all know its easier to Sin than to do resist temptations, and thats why the prophet Muhammad (PBUM) said that this temperory life on earth is heavan for the unbeleivers and a prison for the beleivers. Two things are forshure, ULL PAY TAXES (lol) and ull die, so why not prepar if u KNOW ITS COMING. In the Quran its written that one of the biggest regrets of the dwellers of hell fire is the procrastination ( meaning, ok im young i still have time, tomorow, tomorrow, later, tonight, next week, always pushing to seek the truth) till its too late. And once its too late, their NOTHING U CAN DO!

So all u can do is live ur life as best as u can, seek knowledge, and dont use as an excuse that other people are making sin so ill do the samething, this is ignorance! The world needs good, people who dont get influenced, leaders, people who have knowledge and make their own researches before jumping to conclusions... ELVIS is in my backyard, thats my opinion, when comes time to proove it, its another story, dont listn to opinion, but always search facts.

Unfortunatly Media covers people that kill each other and not people that help, love, and save eachothers lives, so one things forshure ull always see more crap than good. The other thing, its that all that is happening right now has been been prophesised so WE CANNOT SAY GOD LOST CONROLE, IT WAS WRITTEN, just go read it for urself in the hadiths of the prophet Muhammad (PBUH) He said it that their will come a time were my nation (meaning people coming after the appointed prophet) will be oppressed only by saying their muslims (submitters to god). Those hard times were prophesised and very well documented, so u cannot say god lost power, its simply called free will and life on earth is simply a test. Proof he got controle, name me one tyrant who lived more than 100 years, they all DIED, were are they now u think, u can have all the fun u want, learn all the knowledge u want, be the smartest most powerful man in history, but ull get old, ur memory will fail u, ull wear dipers and walk with a cane, just like a lil baby, then die, who has power now huh? U tell me who lost controle, is it god?...

Now plz live ur lives guys as best as u can.Islam taugh me that a smile is charity, so just smile to one person today cause this might be the good deed missing to erase one of ur bad deeds, god is most mercifull and he will forgive those who repent... all religions promot peace, cause they all come from the same source, so instead of debating on whos religion is best lets debate on how to make this world a better place...
Islam is beatifull, only if u knew... only if u knew... Plz email me for any comments or further fino Ashalsa@hotmail.com :) peace

Brothers
so much hot air about religion and as another blog said knowledge is better than emotion.
The Holy Book of Islam was not written down at once by anyone.
Your Prophet recited what he heard it parts and these were noted. Eventually there was a need to collate it into a single collection.
Was it written exactly as HE heard it or could there have been errors? We shall never know.
As for learning Arabic you may or may not do so. There is no rule that you must rather it is said "You should...IF..you want to read in what was very near to the original tribal language in Arabia at the time."
But it is the message that is the point of any communication not the method or the person who tells it.
So concentrate on the message! It may suit your personal needs. It may not be attractive to me or others. Alow us the God given right to make that decision. (That was the main point of the Pope's rather acadmeic speech at Munich)
As a Christian we believe in LOVE being central to Jesus' desire for all His followers.
I and millions for 2000 years have tried badly to do this.
Yes we failed in the past and will fail again BUT Jesus knew that and died cruelly for people like me to be allowed aaccess to Him.
So we alow our folowers the right to do their own thing and worship as he or she chooses.
We ask all other belivers of other faiths to come and join us IF THEY WANT TO.
That is Christianity today. Is it true of Islam today? Can a Muslim leave Islam?
Fraternally
Arthur

I left a false religion (Hinduism) to follow the true God.

When Christians speak the truth about religion(s) that preach lies & violence, I am not surprise to hear that those followers get offended. The Anti-Christians of the world like Muslims knows that the only way to keep their follower from leaving Islam is threaten them with violence and terror. That is why they are afraid to speak out.

If they will not speak out then everyone else who don't buy their lies should speak the truth.

I support the Pope! May the true God Jesus bless him.

Raymond.

Dear Raymond,

You claimed that Muslims know that the only way to keep their follower from leaving Islam is threaten them with violence and terror! that is why they are afraid to speak out!

Well, there are many former Christians from western countries who converted to Islam, they live in non-Muslim communities, have non-Muslim famlies, are not threatend by voilance or terror, and have nothing to loose if they speak out, but yet they don't leave Islam! Can you explain why?

And just for the record, I as a devout Muslim from Saudi Arabia, and others like me, do speak out against Extreme-Islamists (even against those extremests from our own country!) on the way they use their own personal strict Interpretation of our faith to accomplish their own personal goals!

Dear Ramond, Elvis is still alive... hes living with michael Jakson in disney land ! then again CAN I PROOVE THAT ?!?!?! Whats all that rubbish ur talking about "Muslims knows that the only way to keep their follower from leaving Islam is threaten them with violence and terror." Its cause of people with statements like urs that make the world we live in fuktup, u just say dumb statments with no proof wutsoever, u REALLY THINK if i leave ISLAM some terrorists will kill me?!?! Ur lost man, and if thats what christian church's teach u, and thats wut u teach ur children, then thats just sad, and im afraid the end of the world is coming cause thats a first.... ill pray god to guide u !

Why would bother putting anything down? Nobody can change anyone else's mind by stating individual opinions on most any forum like this.

Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Whatever the Pope was trying to accomplish, and whether the media reported a genuine summary of it or sensationalized it, his statements seemed rather antithetical to the Pope's predecessor, His Holiness, John Paul II, who struggled every day of his papal career to bring harmony to ALL peoples, and refused to blame and label any faith or people for human darknesses. And considering Pope Benedict XVI has repeatedly declared such high regard for John Paul II's efforts as well as an intent to follow suit, I'm especially fascinated by these rather upside down, and unexpected judgments that he's made.

The Pope is first and foremost a Christian. And these comments coming from him, one of the foremost representatives and advocates of compassion and love, is disconcerting.

To condemn, judge, and blame anyone is not who the Pope is, or what he does. Jesus condemned no one, judged no one, blamed no one. So then why is the Pope seemingly doing so here?

In any case,

Thank you to the people who posted on this board that gave enlightened and intelligent explanations, trying to make sense of this, and trying to promote something other than blame, judgment, bias, prejudice, condemnation. Like understanding and the importance of knowing better than to judge any people at large.

That means a lot to me. Thanks so much.

I have delayed answering "aa" in order to carefuly examine his comments, and examine my position.
a)-Is my position that of an atheist?
No. to the contrary.
b)-Am I a Theologian?
No. Theology seeks to "Interpret" God's messages to Humankind.....according to the vested interest of the "Interpreters"....and of these there have been millions -each coterie of them contradicting one another, both simultaneously, as well as down the ages.
c)- What "aa" pronounces "Chaos", is occasioned by Human activity -the combined cacophonous clamour of voices all proclaiming themselves to be right in their beliefs; to have all the answers to all of the questions, about life, the Universe and everything.
I would here, refer "aa" to a Muslim proverb....to the effect that God gave us TWO eyes, TWO ears -but only one mouth.
This in itself is a message. It behoves us to be Watchful;& to Listen twice as much as we speak.
I place little stock in so-called "Holy Writ" -whatever the book; it will have been for too long in the editorial hands of Humankind.....and too many of those, to be numbered among the throng who as deeply believe that God can do with THEIR "helping hand", as they do in God.
However, the "helping hands" cannot obscure God's Core-Messages, without demolishing their own (usurped) authority to proclaim what it is (THEY SAY) God is asking of us.
How then shall we apprise ourselves -not of Religion, but of a stated purpose to life that we can treat as proceeding from God?
Read the Scripture of every Religion -not as one's Mission In Life, or an end in itself but rather, every time we come accross a refence to God.....Look It Up.
Look for consistency.....principles enunciated by persons who have lived manifestly Just and Compassionate lives.
Above all, distrust the words and exhortations of Humans obsessed with doing God's work for God.....or for themselves.
And beyond this, I listen for the quietly insistent voice, which we characterise as "conscience".
The Rules are simple.
First, give due regard to persistent reporting of the existence of one Universal Prime Mover, hereinafter referred to as "God".
Said to come directly from God by the hand of Moishe, the (Jewish) Ten Commandments enunciate a simple but comprehensive set of rules for individual Human conduct that embody all of what might best see individuals living with respect for one another....if one acts to keep them.
Is the effort required of one and another in pursuit of their personal enactment of these , not truly the meaning of "Jihad"?
Now, do you allow yourself to believe that obeying a set of rules, in isolation, puts you in credit with God in greater degree than one whose observance is less perfect?
That (and many other things) I believe, is not Mine, but God's to judge.
Next, does one look upon those one might, notwithstanding, adjudge imperfect, with Compassion? Perhaps they, in their turn at that particular imperfection, might judge one a little less harshly.
As you would do for a blood-relative; would you less do for a stranger...? We are all related; and more closely perhaps than we might care to admit.
As for our Children -we do not own them, just as none of us own God. God sends them to us in trust; and not just those whom we sire or bear.
God , I believe, gave us our own individual capacity to see his signposting of the way. He has for as long as we have existed
set a cairn; a signal; a fingerboard at every turning.
At sundry times and places in our HIstory, he has lit great Beacons at key crossroads to supplement and confirm the multitude of lesser signs -posted around the Globe and in every language; addressed to every culture- would that we all had had but the wit and watchfulness to observe them, and having observed, heeded them.
I am suspicious of surging crowds, and tumults of folk.
God is not to be found in Mass Movements; Is quickly absent from Institutions; Is not confined to this or that building.
These foregoing are the things of Humans, both Godly and not....
God is to be found in the everywhere, and within one's own mind; in one's Critical Judgement of circumstance, no less than in one's emotional attachment; repulsion; or reactions -and needs to be watched-for in these places; and, as well, sought after and invited.
God is not found in the foolish, superstitious, self-aggrandising threats of those who fear or proclaim hellfire and dammnation, and exhort others to obey THEM -"before it is too late"....
I Trust in God -whether this is a Deity as envisaged by whomsoever Human, or not -as a benign force....and do not fear to be judged by God, should it be, that at my death, I find myself before God to account for how I have spent my life.
Why fear that which, if you truly believe in God, you will not seek to decieve nor avoid? It is self-evident that you CAN not.
If you believe that we are put here -by God, presumably- for a purpose; then look for it in your own life, and having found it; heed it, and act upon it.
If God is truly all-powerful, then; if God desires you to percieve your life-purpose.....so you shall.
Be quiet, therefore; avoid the noisy people and places....and listen....
Those who percieve God only in the rantings of his self-appointed "Exclusive Agents", I feel; run the risk of confusing the packaging with the goods......
Embrace the wrapping, and avoid the principles.
Shout loudly, and look for righteousness in the silencing af all dissent with your own views -bolstered by the agreement of other Humans with whom you have chosen to identify- the more, the better.
Are you so in doubt as to the rightness of your belief, that you need the herd to trumpet around you in agreement before you can feel confirmed in it?
Must you, to bolster your conviction of "rightness", quote an all-confirming "authority"?
God is proclaimed by many Prophets -but Limited By None.
I would be on good terms with my fellows.....
but in matters of belief and of faith - I seek the opinion of God - and without benefit of "Interpreters".
God's Messages are -and always have been- simple.
It remains for us to heed them.

Ur very deep man! But i have to say u lost me with all those big words and i still dont understand ur position and still cant see ur comments on my position ... lol ... but u seem like a great person with a good heart and huge brain lol :)

Around the year 400 A.D. Islam was found by the jews to stop the spread of Christianity. The name MAhamed is a two Arabic words MA HAMED which means unthankful to God. This person was a bully and very ugly looking person. He was picked at the time because he scared people. He was given power by Jews and made up stories of Ma Hamed receiving verses from God. Imagine 1600 years ago, no telephone, no tv, no internet, the poor would believe anything if they were given bread.

Ya and my dog loves playing golf ! Are u on crack Rebecca Carter???

why all of u moslims so offended by what the pope said? if ur islam is a relligion of peace, can't u forgive? or there no word of forgiveness in the quran?if u moslims so angry to every christians that alive because of what one christian said, maybe every relligion on these earth should be angry about what few moslims said about them...so if we christians can forgive u..coz that what GOD teach us...why ur god teach u to hate....if u moslims are so outrages about what pope said, so every christians can be very outrages when there are moslim who said that Jesus is a slave of allah.....can we?...no ...because our GOD teach us to forgive people who didn't know what their are doing or saying...forgive the unknowing...why always only moslims whose only fight againts another relligions?...do is because ur allah don't teach u to forgive?...i'll bet there are...but of course...why should u?...what i know is killing are forbidden for any humans kind...but why jihad allow? what u fight for?..the truth?..u sure?..i don't think so...u moslims do jihad coz u had nothing to do,u leave ur family for what? die for some u even dont know...how stupid is that!...ck...ck...how if u dead in the jihad? do u think other moslims will toke care of ur family?...dont be joking....all of u dies for no reason...for something that can be discussed...just learn to forgive n love each other,n i'll bet...ur not moslims anymore...there no love at all in islam...i dont know...i havent read the quran n i dont have any intention for it..coz..u moslims show me enough of islam...if u dont agree of teroristsme, why u dont jihad the al qaida?..they the one who offended islam the most...why u dont fight them? affraid? or terrorisms is allow in islam? n is okay if a moslim who offence the quranor islam? n if u not moslims u must die...am i correct? before u kill christian who offended u moslims...kill moslims who offended u first...than i'll bet no one will make u moslims outrages any more...

I have spent the last hour reading this blog and I must say, there are some insightful things stated on here. Especially Mr. Wilson and "aaa" have very reasonable and well documented statements. I just thought I would add my little share to it. As humans we all look to please something, be it our faith, friends, family, beliefs or ourselves. But at the end of the day, if we can look in the mirror and see the person that you yourself want to see not the person you think the world should see then we have achieved something that we all seek: to be ourselves. Judgment is not for us as humans to to do, because that is not our responsiblity. All we can do is to practice our free will whichever way that sends us is on ourselves. I personally believe in Jesus Christ and He said He is the way the truth and the light no one gets to Father (God) except through Him. That is where my free will is taking me. The question is, where is your free will taking you?

From what I've read, Sharia law not only prohibits Muslims from converting to another faith, it decrees the death penalty for doing so, or at least it is traditionally interpreted by Muslim leaders as doing so. See:
http://www.cfr.org/publication/8034/#14
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52004
http://www.sullivan-county.com/id7/afgan_christian.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia#Muslim_apostates
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam
etc.

Given that fact, how can anyone deny the link between Islam and violence?

Manuel II Paleologos perhaps exaggerated when, while discussing Islamic Jihad, he said, "Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." Surely there must be something original in Islam which is not overtly evil!

But the essential barbarism of Islam is plain to all who have eyes to see and ears to hear. Indeed the derivation of the English word "barbarous" apparently results from reference to the ferocity and savagary of the Islamic Saracens of N. Africa's Barbary Coast, and the Arabic name for them, "Barbar" or "Berber"; see http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Barbary

However, it is important to remember that the first victims of Islam are the Muslims, themselves. It is they who are led astray by false religion, and it is their immortal souls that are damned by it. God, Himself, is grieved by their loss. He hates Islam, as He hates everything false, but He does not hate Muslims. He loves them and wants their repentance and conversion. He wants them to find freedom from the bondage of Islam, in His son, Jesus Christ. The Muslims are, like the rest of us, among those sinners whom God sent His Son to redeem. While it is true that Islam leads its adherents into evil, making them ememies of God, it is also true that, as Christ taught, God commands His people to love their enemies, and not to hate them.

Thus, a Christian sins against God if he hates Muslims, even Muslim terrorists. Instead, we are instructed to immitate Christ, by loving sinners even as we hate their evil deeds. Even if we have to go to war against them, the Christian's purpose should be to stop the evil, not to harm the evildoers.

-Dave
dave146 at burtonsys dot com but please no spam

DEAR JC !!! i have read ur post and must say u dont know nothing about Islam... i will analyse EACH word u said and explain u my point of view that im sure u wont even be willing to accept, cause some people weather u show them the truth or not, they will always denie it cause they do NOT want to understand and limite they're brains to what their momies, dadies and friend taugh them! So if ur in this category STOP READING RIGHT NOW, DONT WASTE UR TIME !!1 But if ur open to expand ur knowledge towards other faths and stop being ignorent, sit back and read my reply to JC.

Listn, Islam teach us to react the pausitivly posible to any event, it teach us to hold our tempre and be patient, and not to jump to violence and insults. thats what ISLAM TEACH'S US !!!! Now not because people protest NEGATIVLY it means thats wut Islam taugh them, there are people that follow Islam, and others that claim to follow it but dont. The world population is 6.5 billion and the muslim population is 1.6 bilion,... news flash, 1 person on 4 is muslim on the planet, so if we would all follow Islam whch according to u SAY THAT WE PROMOT VIOLENCE AND HATE AND CRIME AND TERRERISME, THE WORLD WOULD END TODAY !!!!!!!! Islam teachs us to love each other, and not because some extremists that dont even represent 1% do violent reaction it means THATS ISLAM, USE UR BRAIN JC !

"there no word of forgiveness in the quran?"
The quran is full of words of forgiveness and i will not explain that point cause i have already did in an earlier post, scroll up, ull see... comon, i dare u to read my 4 previous posts...

"if u moslims so angry to every christians that alive because of what one christian "
Again i lie, trust me if i was angry to every christian, it would be world war, remember how many muslims are on the planet. Unlike urself, i dont generalize people. If a black man hits me, i wont hate all black people, maybe u would, cause u sure have this way of thinking, that all muslims are terrorists! The wold would be in trouble if everybody would think like u and generalize everybody!

"why ur god teach u to hate"
Who told u that? were did u read that? Do u realise all the distorted points with no proof whatsoever ur telling people. FIND ME ONE PASSAGE IN THE QURAN THAT SAYS GOD WANTS US TO HATE PEOPLE AND DO BAD STUFF !!!!!

"if u moslims are so outrages about what pope said, so every christians can be very outrages when there are moslim who said that Jesus is a slave of allah"
Whats a slave for you?? I will define it to u if u dont know the term, it means sombody that follows the commandments of its superior. So if ur my slave, then ull have to obay me. Do you consider urself a slave of god JC, or not? Cause if u dont then thats a BIG PROBLEM MY friend, it means u dont consider him ur superior, the one, the almighty, lord of the worlds. Or do u have a too big of an ego to admit ur a slave of god, if u dont then ur not a Christian (worshiping the name of a prophet) or should i say, a true muslim (verb meaning submitter to god). And Allah means GOD by the way and to proove it, go watch ur movie passion of the Esa were he CLEARLY SAYS to worship ALLAH ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k-c7HWyfPE&mode=related&search= ) (Esa is the real name or Jesus, for ur personal information, so when he'll be back and ull scream Jesus, he wont even look at u cause he never heard that name... ) So to come back to ur question, ill answer it by a qestion for u: Why would a Christian be made towards a muslim if a muslim would say Esa followed the commandments of his lord? huh? After all, go read ur own bible, ull see, i can give u TONES of passages were Esa claims wut i told u!!!! (Mark 6:10, Matthew 7:21, ...........)

"why always only moslims whose only fight againts another relligions?"
Well havnt u realised yet all the oppression, and we must not forget the media ! Go read my last 4 posts, again they will answer this oppression point VERY WELL,... then again i know u wont go read my previous posts cause u dont want to understand.... for the others that seek truth, plz do so... and for those who are lazy to read, then listn to this 5 minutes audio... http://heggle.com/item/380557/George_Galloway_PWNING_sky_news

"because ur allah don't teach u to forgive?"
Its not my Allah, its God, Allah is the arabic word for god, arabic christians call jesus ALLAH !!!!!!!! JC, before debating on a subject, read on the subject...
Allah, do teach us to forgive and the examples of our prophet (PBUH) are the perfect example of that... read the quran and hadiths then ull get the answer to ur question and see ur totally wrong!

"u moslims do jihad coz u had nothing to do"
K, how old r u? Now i know im eather debating with a kid or a man with a brain of a kid. JC, do i really dont have to answer that question? I WONT... all i will tell u is Islam permits fighting in self-defense, in defense of the religion, or by those who have been expelled forcibly from their homes. At the same time, Islam requires one to treat one's enemy mercifully. It lays down strict rules of combat which include prohibitions against harming civilians and against destroying crops, trees, and livestock. Islam also requires that if an enemy declares his desire to end hostilities and seek peace, the Muslims must do the same.The concept of Jihad ("Holy War" or struggling in the cause of Allah) is stated in the Qur'an. Allah said:
"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits. God does not love transgressors."
[2:19] . Now look at Iraq and palastine for example, and tell me who is the oppressors and who are oppressed.... read my post since i explain this point in more details: http://www.freedomszone.com/archives/2006/08/keeping_god_hostage.php .

"i dont know...i havent read the quran n i dont have any intention for it"
The more i read ur post, the more i feel im wasting my time, its full of noun sens and then i fall on this, u saying i dont know ... ignorence...

US invades Iraq, and were the terrorists, Israel invades Libanon and were the terrorists, Israel MASSACRE palastenians for the past 50 years and were the terrorists, american sanctions kill 4000 children in IRAQ EVERY MONTH FOR 10 FUKN YEARS, BUT WE ARE THE TERRORISTS!!!!!!!!! ALL THIS IS DONE BY THE AMERICANS AND JEWS, AND THEY CONTROLE UR DAMN MEDIA, SO OBVIOUSLY ITS WRITTEN WERE TERRORISTES !!!!!!!!!!!!! THEY WOULD NEVER SAY THEY ARE THE OPPRESSORS!!! THINK, USE UR BRAIN JC. IF U DONT FEEL LIKE READING THE QURAN CAUSE OF EXTREMISTS THEN WHY DO U READ THE BIBLE WHEN BUSH SAYS HES A DEVOTED CHRISTIAN AND HES INVADING THE WORLD, IS THAT WHT CHRISTIANITY TEACHES U GUYS ???? I KNOW ITS NOT THAT, CAUSE I DONT GENERALIZE THE WHOLE NATION CAUSE OF A MINORITY OF PSYCHOS!!!! Go read ur own history of the crusades wut they did, go read ur own history, when Christopher columbus claimd the land and killed 89 MILLION NATIVE INDIANS, wasnt his religion christianity, 89 MILLION INDIANS KILLED AND U DONT CALL THAT TERRORISME?!?!?!? SO WHY DO U READ THE BIBLE IF THEY FOLLOWD IT!??!?!? Now u know how i feel, those events and people do not represent our faths, our faiths promote peace and love, not hatred, but unfourtunatly lots of people are bad. Go see for urself wut an american soldier who just came back from Iraq said about what he was forced to de, I DARE U TO LISTN TO THIS VIDEO, CAUSE IF U DONT, ULL NEVER NOW THE TRUTH OF THIS WAR UR COUNTRY IS DOING, GO LISTN AND ULL UNDERSTAND ME aAND SEE WHOS THE OPRESSORS !!! http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=250

"why u dont jihad the al qaida"
Why dont u take away Bush? Can u? Its easier said than done my brother...

"n if u not moslims u must die...am i correct?"
Are u alive? If ur statement is true, then i better not see u!!! lol.... ur statment make no sense, i have tones of christian and juwish friends that i resepect so much cause they respect me and know what my people are going threw... ISLAM is PEACE, CHRISTIANITY IS PEACE, JUDAISME IS PEACE, EXTREMISTS ARE PAIN.

JC, my email always open for u my friend and anybody else that seek to understand more on Islam and its TRUE message. Ashalsa@hotmail.com

Peace :)

sorry aaa that i offended u....ukh...(i guest it always like that)......
i have my brain and i used it....
correct me if i'm wrong.....almost every muslims now is outrages to what had pope said....isn't...that not 1%...if islam teach to love..why all of muslims cann't forgive pope? bush or blair? i forgive al Qaida! n usay i'm ignorance..dont judged people if u dont want to be just as heavy as ur judgment...i live in the middle of muslims..i'd been there...so i know...ur life supposed to reflect our faith isn't...and no muslims i know that is good...so...why should i bother to read quran, if every man beside me who all ready read it so barbarian....oya..i already read all your post "of anger" and i notice that u made alot of contradictive statement...always try to defend ur self...
u wrote:
"trust me if i was angry to every christian, it would be world war, remember how many muslims are on the planet. Unlike urself, i dont generalize people. If a black man hits me, i wont hate all black people, maybe u would, cause u sure have this way of thinking, that all muslims are terrorists! The wold would be in trouble if everybody would think like u and generalize everybody!"
once again u judged other...i dont think that good...or i'm wrong again..who are u if u angry to every christian it would be world war? god? dont think so...its already war remember..open ur eyes...its already happened since 14th century...since islam exsist...and i dont generalize every body...i life it them...
oya..can i ask u...do u agree of killng the pope ? do u agree all the muslims should be outrages about the statement? do u agree what the other muslims do right now, preparing jihad, demonstrate,burning n destroyed church, kill a noun?i dont think that all of it was dont be 1% of muslims, coz it happened all around the world...what ur opinion about that? u can see no christian destroy mosque, or killing muslim, n dont u told me about iraq n palestine... that was a different topic..but its wrong...and yes i'm angry about that but i forgive bush n there no vengence on it...
"Whats a slave for you??"
for me slave is slave...and i am no slave, coz i was a child of JESUS, so i will seat beside the throne, not below it...yes...Jesus is my superior...He is my Father...so nothing to debate ...
" Esa is the real name or Jesus, for ur personal information, so when he'll be back and ull scream Jesus, he wont even look at u cause he never heard that name..."
yah right...like u the one who give that name to Him....n u already admit here that Jesus or Esa (for u) is a God,not a prophet like mohammed...coz Jesus will come once again...to save people who trust in Him...ur mohhammed cannot do that coz he only a prophet (of whom? evil or God), but Jesus can come again coz He is God...he can come anytime He one... (so hurry up if u dont one miss the train!!)
"(worshiping the name of a prophet)"
christian do not worshiping the name of a prophet...ok... muslims did...always swore for him..why...if he is so good...and he already dead..why u must pray to ur allah for him anymore...if true that mohamed is aprophet of God...he already sit beside ur allah waiting for u...he the one who should pray for u...isnt..coz it doesnt matter anymore for him...even if u die for him...
"Islam permits fighting in self-defense, in defense of the religion, or by those who have been expelled forcibly from their homes"
self defense?...who offense u islam? who ofense ur religion? mohammed is not a religion isnt he? he only a prophet, right? so who u fight with? if there any ofense to islam...there no forgiveness for it? so the ofender should die? even aleady apologize for it? so cruel ....
"Why dont u take away Bush? Can u? Its easier said than done my brother..."
it look taht is easy for u muslims to jihad pope..bush..blair..israel...but of course always difficult to jihad ur own man....christian dont do jihad my friend..we pray for people that already made something bad ( i dont know about bush or blair or pope, coz i dont judge other people)...n pray..n pray...and show them love of course coz God Almighty already love us so much....
"Are u alive? If ur statement is true, then i better not see u!!! lol.... ur statment make no sense, i have tones of christian and juwish friends that i resepect so much cause they respect me and know what my people are going threw... ISLAM is PEACE, CHRISTIANITY IS PEACE, JUDAISME IS PEACE, EXTREMISTS ARE PAIN."
yes i'm alive (what a question?, n u told me to use my brain,hah!)...yah...of course u have tones of non muslims friends..coz they respect u...(what a statement) please...they are teach to respect every humanbeing, so of course..but how if they dont...must die? not trying to made them respect? just kill n show? like that! if they dont respect u..just ignore u..u will not respect them? u can choose to ignore them to isnt? ur people didnt going threw anything but them self...no one do anyting to islam.no one try to change islam...but alot of people tried to change muslims...evry religion teach good thing...including islam...just the ways of muslims thought should be analize...the quran teach good but the esult is ..what..bad...??? how can????....no idea...
islam is peace...i admit it..the religion..but not the followers...bcoz of the followers act the name of islam is like today...bcoz they donot understood what quran said...they interpretted them self and see...the result is what i see nowdays...only bad thng about islam....non of the followers reflect the quran.if theres any, maybe just 1% of the muslims...but i ot see any yet till today...so hope u are one of the muslims who reflected islam...with good impression so if other see u they'll questioning who u are...coz no muslims they saw is like u..hope to the Holy One....

God Bless all who are seeking truth and knowledge.

Our world is being run by money, International bankers (IB) New World Order and a select few of there major contributors. The Rothschild's who are Chairman's fully admit (Give me control of a countries finances I run the country) Also Bush #1 even warned/told us about the new world order in one of his speeches.

Presidents, Sheiks, Prim Ministers, Juntas, and Kings etc. etc. bow to the wishes of this hidden empire. In free nations where there are democratically elected officials the nominees know that their opportunities for office are directly related to there willingness to cooperate wit (IB). These elected leaders are allowed to promote their agendas i.e. education, world peace, Environment protection, abortion, science etc as long as they cooperate with the (IB) actually they have no choice. Bad things happen to those who stray off the path. The get exposed for wrongs, impeached, murdered.

Have you noticed that many of the major issues in this country never get addressed even though you have two opposing sides to the issue. Example Abortion, the REP have been attempting to over through Row vs. Wade for years and say they will do so when they are in power but it never happens why? The IB wants to keep this to help control world population. Environment protection, The Democrats seem to make very little progress in this area because the IB does not want to sacrifice the Billions upon Billions of dollars it would take to clean up our air. However; they realize that something has to be done thus, there is forward progress but on their financial time scale.

World control takes a long time to accomplish and they have plenty of time. Tactics for complete takeover consist of manipulating the most suggestible of certain peoples and pitting them against an idea, country, religion and let them stir the pot. Thus the common man is so consumed with the mediocrity in life they are blinded to what is really happening. Sports is also used as a distraction, How many of you watched the opening of Monday Night Football instead of the presidential Speech a couple of weeks ago.

Why do you think that it now requires 2 incomes to live? to keep you so busy chasing a dream that you can't see what is happening. What do you think is happening to your children? Are they being taught you morals or someone else's.

I could rattle on and on I just want to make a point. Our enemies aren't those wearing a turbans or those wearing a ball cap or a berka but are the tools for those who want us to have continual strife as to blind us.

Sure they want wars, sure they want hate, and sure they want to use you in their cause. How much have you helped up to this point? How long will you participated.

One of the things that we can control is our religious brothers and leaders. We should absolutely not accept those in our religion who do harm to others in the name of our religion. Even to the point of sacrificing our own for the better of the whole. Guide your brothers to right thinking or into heaven what ever is required.

Stand up Muslims standup Christians, Hindus, Buddhist's bring peace to the west and the Middle East lets all work together to eliminate hate and over control by the IB.

Sadly, I say if you think for one minute that the US won't drop the bomb and turn some nation into Glass you are sorely mistaken. I pray that there are no more 9-11's or I believe we will see this happen with the Ok if the IB of course. Certainly it will be in a region with little or no oil.

In conclusion lets all take our heads out of the sand and fight the real fight.

Dear JC, u know, iv read ur post an its debatable on EVERY SINGLE aspect, and all things u said are easily explainable! But then again, i wont start taking all ur points each one, one by one, cause itll take too much time and at the end of the line ull always come back with points and itll never end. By me replyn it wont help u cause u said it, u havnt read the quran, u dont seem to know the history of our prophet, nore the history of Islam, cause if u did u wouldnt of said 99% of wut u said earlier!!! And that is a CLEAR FACT! Theres no point in debating with someone that limits it knowledge on a specific subject by wut he see's without seek its true nature. I have to agree that i dont not support SO MANY people across the world claimng they are muslims when they are doing all the opposit of what the quran tells us to do and of how our prophet (pbuh) teachs us to act, my mosque dont support it, my family dont support it, and most of my friends dont neither, except some, and it was predictable cause they are the ones dissing the pope and so on, while they never pray, read the quran nore know the history of islam (ignorence is everywere even with muslims, we aint different, some people just dont want to understand). I have to admit it, its bad, and i condemn it but do u see me, the mosque, and family condeming those acts on tv, no cause thats not the image that westerners want to show on tv of course, we only see the bad side cause we ARE on the spot light.

Now u keep on saying islam is violance, chistianity is peace and love, we always forgive, we never do bad things, Bush is invading the world but i forgive him,... imagine if everybody thot like u it would be a dead world, everybody would stay home and pray god to save the world and pray all day and not act! Im not saying praying god is bad, we do it 5 times a day, but god also tests us, we have to act when we se unjustice, god gave us a brain not for no reason, this life on earth is a test, and in Islam it is said a man that worships god all day and dont support his family has lesser chances of going to paradise then than man thet works hard all day and dont have to time to pray cause hes feeding his family, working is worship, fighting injustice is worship, defending ur family is a worship, giving to the poor is worship... now u said it, whats happening in Iraq and palistine is bad, u said it and agreed with me, well 99% of the images of Islam are takn from those 2 counrties, so OBVIOUSLY ULL SEE WAR AND KILLING AND MURDER, LOOK WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO US OVER THERE !!! AND IF U STILL DONT KNOW, GO READ MY PREVOUS LINKS AND ULL UNDERSTAND !!! Now u act like as if Christianity is the only religion of Peace and Love? I do not think that anyone can honestly and objectively examine American or European history and answer "yes" to that question. Christianity can encourage Peace and Love - but it certainly need not, and it quite often has done just the opposite. Just look at ur history, read on it, im a historian, I KNOW WHAT U DONT KNOW CAUSE U DONT WANT TO KNOW !!! Go read on the Early History of christianity (how "love" justifies violence and persecution), go read ur own passage of the bible (Mark 3:29) were is the forgivness in that, go read on the HORRIBLE THINGS the Crusades did in the name of JESUS, go read on the Inquisition, go read on the Reformation (were MILLIONS got killed), go read what u guys did to the witchs and pagans (so much forgivness huh), go read about the holocaust (were the determination to exterminate the Jews from the face of the earth cannot possibly be understood without the background of centuries of persistent and violent Christian anti-semitism, generally encouraged by religious authorities.), go read on Northern Ireland (Catholics and Protestants have been vilifying, attacking, torturing and killing each other in a seemingly endless cycle, peace? love ?), go read on the "bible wars" between Catholics and Protestants in 19th century here in north america, go read on what Christopher columbus did to those 100's of MILLIONS OF INDIANS FOR CRYN OUT LOUD AND PEOPLE SEAM TO FORGET (and we all know what faith he claimed to follow), SHOULD I GO ON?!?!? HUH ???? CAUSE I SURE CAN... So PLEASE DONT ACT like as if all christians in history are angels, and u know as much as i do, all those horrible acts do NOT represent christianity!!! And if u agree to that statment, then ONLY NOW u understand how i feel, imagine living as a christian following ur bible during one of those events and people coming to u sayn ur religion is crap, look at all the christians killing everybody, how will u react? what will tell them? Open ur eyes my friend, history goes on long before u were born.

Islam, i repeat it, its peace, and whats happening in this crazy world were living in, does not represent the teachings of the prophet (PBUH) nore the quran. I URGE u to read on the history of Islam and what it braugh our world, all the light and knowledge it braugh us, in medecin, math, architecture, celestrial bodies, ..., read books or listn to documantaries, done by NONE muslims historians and see what they say, i have one done by BBC (NONE MUSLIMS) that i can tell u about, its called "Empire of Faith" and id strongly recomend cause of its credibility. Dont prevent urself from learning because of idiots that claim theyve learnd what ud want to understand. Just to show u how much of an impact to this planet was our last prophet (PBUH) u can read a book written by a JEWISH historian talking about the 100 most influancial people in History, and guess whos first place... go see for urself... http://www.amaana.org/ismailim.html ... Why would a jewish writte what he wrote? Its becasue hes a historian and knows what islam braugh the world. I invite u to read on Islam, cause its beautifull, i dont care what they are doing all those extremists across the world, and yess there are alote, we are living in hard times, but this chouldnt prevent one to seek to truly understand what this last messenger predicted at SO MANY passages in the bible (even tin the movie passion of the christ) had like message. Open ur mind and try to understand my faith cause im sure once u read on it, ull wont regret and say, now i know what Islam truly teachs, and maybe u can teach badmuslims on how to become good muslims. If u wanna make this worlld into a better place, understand us first (by reading on the true message of islam), then guide us, but not before. Thank you my friend JC, and wish to hear from u soon :)
Ashalsa@hotmail.com my email is open to everybody! 24/7 :)

thank u for ur understanding...quite nice if we debated in proper way...with no anger..n no acusting..ok..one point that both of us agree...all religion is peace...except the followers...if we want to see the world in different way, than the one should change is the followers,not the religion...i'm not historian, i'm not westerner, n i can say i'm that angel but i'm trying to be one..to be as good as possible so i can represent christianity as God want...but of course not all people like to do that...but if we dont started it our self than who will...isn't? i'll try to read about islam, not muslims...if that possible...and u in otherhand please read bible not only in old testament, but the new one also, coz the core of christianity not in old testament, but in the new testament...n about Mark 3:29, dont read it just one line or number..but read all the chapter Mark 3: 20-30..its talking about beelzebub, berhala...and you should read the mark 3:28...please dont just asuming thing from one line of words,...we didn't want to repeat a same debate or mistake anymore isn't? if u read all the new testament than it will open ur eyes..that God is full of mercy,but i dont know about the followers...i'll read about islam...n quran..but please read the new testament because all the christianity base on it..not the old testament..old testament is just history of bad humankind...human that cannot be change..so just dont life in the history but please life in the furture...
May God Bless You....aaa...

Dear JC, u have my email, why dont u send me ur email to my email cause i dont have it...

I finally agree with ur post, lol, u know its true, if one wants to change the world, he has to start by changing himself since we are the mirrors that reflet the kind of world in which we want to live after all. Become a good person, do good, give charity, help the needy, follow the way of life god wants us to live in this world, and THATS religion, religion is a WAY OF LIFE, thats why people in the time of Esa (pb) (Jesus (PB)) didnt call his followers christians, they called them "PEOPLE OF THE WAY" and if u translat in arabic its "DEEN AL ISLAM". I only translated nothing more cause after all, they didnt speak english... reflect...

Im glad to know u will read about islam, and plz email me (or anybody else), i could suggest u good readings, not bullshit, cause theirs lots of false websites created by none muslims lying on the beleives of islam.

About me, i have read the old and new testement, and have studied the bible and torah, and still read on them, im very open on learning, cause the 3 religions are like 3 big pieces of puzzle, and u CANNOT expect to understand the REAL message of god without understanding the 3 pieces which will give u the real message of god. By reading and understanding deeply, not only overview, deeply the 3 religions, only then ull understand what truly happend threw out history, why it happend, who did mistakes, and whats our real purpose on this earth. So people, i invite u to read on the 3 pieces of the puzzle and not stick to ur piece, I have no doubt its a nice one but ull miss the big picture which is SO MUCH MORE BEAUTIFUL. God gave us a life spamof almost 80 years, not for no reason, its to seek knowledge and understanding, theres so much out there and what 1 hour a day, week, or even a MONTH, invested in getting smarter and seeking what truly happend threw out history, why all those messangers, why the last, why the first...

One audio i would STRONGLY recommend to everybody is the following, please listn to it with a open heart and mind, and then u can say that ur starting to have a good idea of islam and the purpose of life, from the islamic point view... then u can say Islam beleives in... instead distorted ideas by the media and uncredible sources!

Please listn to them, instead of reading its 2 audios of 45 minutes where u even hear passages read by malcome X, its very interresting, and i want to have the opinions u guys have on these 2 audios, my email is ashasla@hotmail.com, tell me ur thots... :)

Its called "The Purpose of Life"
PART 1
http://www.islamicawakening.com/playaudio.php?audioID=39&

PART 1
http://www.islamicawakening.com/playaudio.php?audioID=39&audiopartID=26&

Hope to hear from u guys soon, specially u JC :)
take care my friends ...
peace (salam)

Im sorry, i misstyped my email

Its Ashalsa@hotmail.com

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