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October 23, 2006
Of God And Gold
"There are many sunken treasure ships that litter the ocean floors, that have never been located. Not finding a sunken Spanish galleon laden with gold, doesn't mean that ship doesn't exist. ... The treasure of faith is to be found in good men of all faiths. If the path or the sound of the ocean is clear and unmuffled, follow it. If it isn't seek out the path, over a lifetime, if necessary. Not finding the path does not mean that path doesn't exist, either."In their post examining the effects that the idea of God has had on society, and conversely, the effects of a society where God plays no meaningful role, Sigmond Carl and Alfred address Dinesh D'Souza's piece, "God knows why faith is thriving" (he concludes that it is not religion but atheism that requires a Darwinian explanation), and point to our own cultural biases towards non belief as being the result of secularist notions in which freedom from religion is preferable to freedom of religion:
... Our Secularists will argue and point to an unforgiving and oppressive God - exactly the kind of God that no longer exists in the Judeo-Christian ethic (it bears noting that the Islamic fundamentalist idea of Allah is exactly like the kind of religion to which secularists are so opposed- violent, malevolent and oppressive. That said, there are few is any progressive secularists that will confront that reality). It is precisely because the Judeo-Christian belief system is so unlike what the secularists believe, that religion is thriving. They cannot 'argue' a believer out of his or her faith, so they resort a legal system that accommodates their biases against religion.Continue reading, "at Sigmond Carl and Alfred." You won't want to miss the commentary on the two groups of people - the Secular Tribe and the Religious Tribe, and about which of the two is more likely to survive, and why.... It is clear that in any discussion of faith vs non-belief, the vast majority of us have to be talked out of our belief in God. Our instinctive beliefs point to a deity, however we define that deity or spirituality.
... In other words, belief in God appears to be a more natural state of affairs than non belief. Notwithstanding the inevitable (and shallow) arguments that belief in God is for weak people, and other such arguments, ad nauseum, the fact remains that while we may all argue over exactly what He/She/It is, the 'numbers' tell the story. It is reasonable to believe each of us is born with that inherent belief structure.
... In their attempt to talk believers out of their faith (an almost religious obsession for many), non believers will argue about injustice and inequity, about the dark side of religion and a thousand and one other such notions (as if secularism has provided anything other than an even greater amount of darkness). They want to engage believers, in an attempt to shake the faith of believers. There is the decidedly illusory notion that secularists feel that they are on even standing when discussing faith. They are not. In fact, a secularist arguing against faith is like a botanist insisting to a zoologist that their fields of study are the same.
In addressing the same Dinesh D'Souza's piece, Donald Sensing at One Hand Clapping writes of atheists in, "Can atheism be justified?":
Other coverage: Blue Crab Boulevard, Dean's World.A group of leading atheists is puzzled by the continued existence and vitality of religion.What an interesting thing for atheists to ponder. In the modern day one either has to accept some kind of deistic understanding of the origin of the universe or an evolutionary understanding that excludes any sort of deity from contributing to the origin of the universe and all contained therein. I am not saying that one must either be religious or non-religious, for the dichotomy is true even for adherents of non-deistic or nature religions. Either deity (or deities) had a hand in existence itself, or it/they did not.So why would a deity-denying atheist be puzzled that religion is thriving? If evolution as they describe it is true, then religion is itself a product thereof. Not only that, but Judaism is an evolutionary product, so is Christianity, so is Islam, so is Buddhism, so is Shamanisn, so is ... well, you get the idea.
And so is the theory of evolution itself. And astrology. And tarot-card reading. And medical science. And faith healing. And everything else. So why do materialists single out religion as a particularly puzzling thing to exist? Why religion and not, say, athletics or stamp collecting or consumption of alcohol?
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Posted by Abdul at October 23, 2006 9:17 PM
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well said! But there is an offshoot here about followers of a one religion claiming that their god is better and more powerful than the god(s) of another religion (SIC) or that their god is the only one out there (very SIC).
In the first instance any god that says 'that he/she/it/whatever is the only one with godly powers in existance' needs a good kick up his butt. And (then there are) those that say that there may be others gods but 'he/she/it/whatever is more powerful than the others' needs a good whack on the head if he/she/it/whatever has one.
Then there are the heads of religions that seperate people of the same god just for personal gratification/power/sway/etc. eg. judaism, christianity & islam are basically of the same genre worshiping the same god - yaweh, jehowah, father of christ, allah, etc. but instead of saying that the followers of alll the three religions are worshiping the same entity, they dont mind giving the poor guy/girl/thing/whatever (god) a split personality saying that it is three identities that exist. so the jewish god drinks & eats kosher. the christains fcked majorly by bringing in the pig into the diet (christ never ate that beautiful meat & he doesnt know what he missed, but thats another story) & the muslims follow the basic guidlines of the old testament & rever all the old men in that book & the traditions set therein but say that allah has a seperate tity & doesnt fit into the old ident.
but then, if this were not to happen how woud the world come to an end as all the books - good & otherwise - say. so, lets put it all to gods grand design for the babel to build into a blunderous blast & end all this stupidity that he/she/it/whatever has created so that at long last he/she/it/whatever can take a break from it all and chill on some beach somewhere with a chilled beer and an entity that gives him/her/it/whatever a high in the crotch & relax without a shit about anything.
sorry if this seems blasphemous to some people, but hinduism says that every living is a god & it is from this fraternity that i talk about my other co-sufferers & i too shall be in that exalted group with that beer & beautiful bomb babe with an uprising in my crotch when this all ends & there is peace all around.
hari omm
Posted by: cy_kick at July 7, 2007 12:14 PM
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